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Post by alrightsir on Dec 23, 2018 15:19:03 GMT
Reading that thread regarding of the BT era made me think about the whole "P!nk" phenomenon and her place now. It's kinda nostalgic how Funhouse was already 10 years ago while it seemy so much less. She has given us so much, not only songs but general ideas, feelings, thoughts, strength and happiness. She basically did everything which a singer could do and now she's one of the most loved acts of the 2000'. But everything comes to an end and it's all good this way. It's clear that we're seeing her last bits as a "popstar". She has basically done it all for herself and for us. Time to let go.
It's so good to see her happy and settled after all the tough shit she has gone through. I'm super happy about her wine project and her beautiful family. Super happy she's doing a huge tour which was kind of a huge surprise at this point. We clearly got spoilt. I think from now on she will release some stuff here, but mainly like rose ave. - non-commercial stuff rooted in passion. And I'll be super happy if we get something.
Soon it will be 20 years. And it was a damn good 20 years. We all shared laugh and tears which will stay with us for the rest of our lives - and I will forever be grateful for that. It's all good now.
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Post by Dani on Dec 23, 2018 15:23:15 GMT
Please don’t do this
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Post by heehawes on Dec 23, 2018 15:43:18 GMT
This thread confuses me.
I understand the talking about the evolution of not only an artitst, but also of a person.... But I'm a bit perplexed as to what "Let go" means.
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Post by meesterpaull on Dec 23, 2018 18:58:10 GMT
It's not about letting go, it's understanding the change. People like Madonna, Celine, Cher all have success, it's just different and I think Pink is about to enter that phase of her career. Of course she will release albums it just won't feel the same to us as it once did. As I said in the other thread she's passed her relevant stage, she's no Ariana, Cardi B etc she will never gain that kind of buzz anymore but she will still sell the same amount of albums as them as we just have to come to terms that she not gonna be all over.
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Post by Nicotine.Head on Dec 23, 2018 21:38:53 GMT
Paul's avatar is literally me @ this thread.
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Post by alrightsir on Dec 24, 2018 8:31:45 GMT
It's not about letting go, it's understanding the change. People like Madonna, Celine, Cher all have success, it's just different and I think Pink is about to enter that phase of her career. Of course she will release albums it just won't feel the same to us as it once did. As I said in the other thread she's passed her relevant stage, she's no Ariana, Cardi B etc she will never gain that kind of buzz anymore but she will still sell the same amount of albums as them as we just have to come to terms that she not gonna be all over. Letting go=letting our expectations of her past self as full on popstar go. I reflected to the other thread where people expect her to do the same as 10 years before. She's clearly not that anymore. Madonna, Cher and Celine all release an album here and there while have massive tours in every 5-10 year or do Vegas. She might be doing that as well from now on. We basically say the same thing. 🤷 |
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Post by heehawes on Dec 24, 2018 9:05:12 GMT
It's not about letting go, it's understanding the change. People like Madonna, Celine, Cher all have success, it's just different and I think Pink is about to enter that phase of her career. Of course she will release albums it just won't feel the same to us as it once did. As I said in the other thread she's passed her relevant stage, she's no Ariana, Cardi B etc she will never gain that kind of buzz anymore but she will still sell the same amount of albums as them as we just have to come to terms that she not gonna be all over. Letting go=letting our expectations of her past self as full on popstar go. I reflected to the other thread where people expect her to do the same as 10 years before. She's clearly not that anymore. Madonna, Cher and Celine all release an album here and there while have massive tours in every 5-10 year or do Vegas. She might be doing that as well from now on. We basically say the same thing. 🤷 Letting go of expectations is good. But... It kinda seems like you still have expectations. 🤷🏻♀️ Now its expectations that shes changed. Of course she has, we all have. but at the same time, shes still herself. Its not a drastic 180 turn to where she has laid anything to rest and said "I'm done with that". she is still gonna do what she pleases, when she pleases - with no apologies for being herself or following her heart. and thats why we love her. I think she is far from over ❤️ PS. forgive me if I misunderstood anything you said. it just seemed like the was some level of sadness in your posting - like saying goodbye to an old friend. I promise you, shes still here. :] |
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Post by meesterpaull on Dec 24, 2018 14:07:55 GMT
Sorry I didn't realise you were trying to say the same point as me! haha! But yeah I agree then that she's definitely not going to be the same as she was.
So to clarify, we need to let go that she won't be the same popstar who does extensive promo, release videos etc. But she WILL be our popstar who we know will continue to release great albums and put on good tours, even if others don't share our hype.
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Post by penndiak on Dec 25, 2018 5:31:32 GMT
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Post by dfantasy on Dec 25, 2018 5:45:12 GMT
She surpassed my expectations actually with her EU stadium tour. 2 Wembley Stadium dates -- that's the stuff of legends!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 5:36:08 GMT
It's not about letting go, it's understanding the change. People like Madonna, Celine, Cher all have success, it's just different and I think Pink is about to enter that phase of her career. Of course she will release albums it just won't feel the same to us as it once did. As I said in the other thread she's passed her relevant stage, she's no Ariana, Cardi B etc she will never gain that kind of buzz anymore but she will still sell the same amount of albums as them as we just have to come to terms that she not gonna be all over. Madonna kept going and kept releasing epic stuff until her last greatest hits. Pink has kind of made music her 4th passion. I understand why, it’s just unfortunate. I also don’t agree with her lack of buzz, if she had released secrets and for now as single and actually promoted her third and fourth singles like she did with ind, we’d have a different era, I think. They expected her to coast with BT the single and video, and then when it didn’t become a success, they gave up. Super disappointing when imo it’s her second best album. Why can’t people post their opinions without someone trying to change it or make excuses. You can change, have kids, etc but still be passionate as heck about your music and career. |
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Post by hookedonspice on Dec 26, 2018 13:09:50 GMT
I think she compromises heavily now. I love her more than anything, but it's almost like she's afraid to offend people. See: Revenge video.
This era has been doomed since they announced the Revenge video would never see the light of day. The big follow up video budget was wasted, the pre-album single buzz for it went down the crapper after countless interviews about it, and the fact that they hid it so well and had an embargo on the Eminem feature until one week before the album.
They had their second single on lock, and it was fun and basic enough to click with masses.
Had Revenge gotten the proper 2nd single treatment with a few performanced WITH Eminem, then followed by Beautiful Trauma to sustain momentum, and then For Now to get the Hot AC radio plays and keep sales afloat, this era would have been completely different.
I work in advertising and we shoot TVCs frequently. The amount of footage that requires to be "touched by an angel" is a countless, and there's so much post production can do to enhance visuals, so I don't buy the "I didn't look good" excuse. We nip, tuck and suck everything. The theme probably had too much gore and they were afraid to switch it up and ruin the "inspiring, relatable, toned down but strong P!nk" persona that just suddenly happened.
It became even more apparent for her and the label after the success of Perfect and Just Give Me A Reason - they no longer needed the crazy, just a catchy pop song with a subject that anyone and everyone could relate to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 15:04:06 GMT
I think it didn’t help that most people didn’t like revenge, the song. The video wouldn’t helped that, imo. I think BT, the song, was too same samey to what she’s done many times before. That video was kinda “crazy”, drug pushing, and they still released it. A live video for WYW was a joke, but I understand why. I firmly believe she had good choices that were new for her and would have garnered new attention. She needs young new blood on her team.
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Post by grenno on Dec 26, 2018 15:07:58 GMT
I think she compromises heavily now. That's true. I remember an old VIVA interview where she admitted to that when the interviewer mentioned that her album sounded very radio friendly during the IND era. She said something along the lines of: I compromise only so much that I can still look at myself in the mirror at the end of the day and if I don't compromise, I wouldn't have a label backing me and would have to sell my CDs out of my trunk (paraphrasing here. I really need to find that VHS where I recorded that interview) lol |
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Post by grenno on Dec 26, 2018 15:09:04 GMT
I think it didn’t help that most people didn’t like revenge, the song. The video wouldn’t helped that, imo. I think BT, the song, was too same samey to what she’s done many times before. That video was kinda “crazy”, drug pushing, and they still released it. A live video for WYW was a joke, but I understand why. I firmly believe she had good choices that were new for her and would have garnered new attention. She needs young new blood on her team. Pretty much my opinion in a nutshell. |
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