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Post by cal on Dec 9, 2023 19:10:18 GMT
All of yall are owing her sudden popularity to the ticketmaster thing. But I don’t think that’s it. She made news when she started her rerecordings and probably got more people into her older music. Then she had Midnights which was a huge success and had Anti-Hero as the lead single. Anti-hero resonated with pretty much with anyone under 30(?) and was a huge hit. Anti-hero is what started it for me.
With people now into her older and newer music, the Eras Tour announcement was a good move as it would encompass everything and was a return to touring after five years absence.
Her popularity is also boosted by her various Netflix documentaries (I think she made one in 2020?). Nearly everyone has netflix and she was already a household name before Covid, so i’m sure these helped spread her popularity to even more people .
Her team definitely orchestrated a good plan
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Post by jonloch1 on Dec 9, 2023 19:13:31 GMT
Can i just ask, when/why did TS get so big all of a sudden?? Like, obviously shes been popular for years but on her last tour 'Reputation tour' where she missed scotland, there was nothing about demand being so high and I didnt hear about people struggling to get tickets [im presuming she sold out]. and then it felt like all of a sudden for this tour, her tickets are like willy wonka's golden ticket and everyone had to register and it was a massive news story on TV. But I dont understand whats happened between 2018 and now thats made her so massive Has demand for gigs rose since covid?? Because back to pink, ive seen her 5 times and never had any issues getting tickets for her so wasnt worried, and i cant get tickets for her as wheelchair spaces on both nights at hampden park have completely sold out, and my dad was online dead on 10am on both presale and general sale days and both nights sold out in minutes. I can get ONE disabled ticket which is no use as im in a wheelchair and need a carer ticket. i'm still gobsmacked as ive never had any issues getting her. and now i think about it since covid, so, tried Beyonce this year for Hampden couldnt get them, seen her twice before and had no issues. Last year Shania Twain announced 2 dates at the hydro in Glasgow and couldnt get them, luckily she added a 3rd date and I got them so saw her for first time this year [shes amazing btw, up there with pink as best gigs ive been to]. My pal couldnt get Lewis Calpaldi tickets. I also read online people were struggling getting Girls Aloud tickets and i went on to cheer myself up after not getting pink tickets and wheelchair space for BOTH nights sold out, and i know GA were popular but i didnt think 2 nights at the hydro would completely sell out. maybe its just me but i feel like since covid its 10x harder getting concert tickets. Because before covid, 9/10 i got tickets no problem and like i said, never had an issue ever getting pink tickets. Although i will say, the one that did hurt was Cher did one night at the hydro in 2019 and couldnt get them and i cried, shes one of my idols and ultimate dream person to see live I believe we're witnessing the hyped-up ripple effect of Ticketmaster crashing on Taylor's fans last year? It probably sent fans in other parts of the world into anticipatory anxiety at the fear of missing out, etc. Anyway, I blame Kanye for it all. It must be then. Because i genuinely cannot believe still i couldnt get pink tickets when like i said, ive seen her 5 times, never had an issue. she did 2 nights at hampden in 2019 and got tickets no problem so something has changed. whats weird is when i couldnt get shania twain tickets last year before she added a 3rd date and i got them, my pal even said to me then there's something different that has made it harder to get tickets, they'ved changed something in the system or there's á glitch. and i poo pooed it and said aw no, its just Shania Twain is a massive artist and she doesnt tour often, and i genuinely thought it was that, i didnt buy there was a glitch or a change, i just thought its Shania Twain, shes a massively successful artist. when she added a 3rd date, i got tickets no bother then. But after that, couldnt get Beyonce or Pink, both ive seen before and never had an issue, im not bad mouthing Girls Aloud as i like them but i didnt think they'd sell out 2 nights at the hydro. and Lewis Calpaldi selling out so quick?? i think it must be either or a mixture of what you said the hyped up after effect or the Taylor Swift debacle or what i think that post covid people want to go to more concerts after not being able to for 2 years. Also, there's disgusting people who buy tickets then resell them. The night of ticket day i wrote on pink's fb page gutted i couldnt get tickets and there was already a man replying to me 'message me, i have tickets to sell', i didnt because even if he did they no doubt werent wheelchair spaces, but i actually replied to him why the hell are you already selling tickets, and he just replied message me with any questions. it makes my blood boil |
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Post by Hooker on Dec 9, 2023 23:37:22 GMT
I believe we're witnessing the hyped-up ripple effect of Ticketmaster crashing on Taylor's fans last year? It probably sent fans in other parts of the world into anticipatory anxiety at the fear of missing out, etc. Anyway, I blame Kanye for it all. Taylor had already had the best-selling album of the year in the USA before Kanye grabbed her mic at 2009 VMA. Taylor didn't become a household name in Europe until last year when her album went #1 across Europe. Kanye did help her get talked on the media a few weeks after the VMA incidence but commercially Taylor became big because of PR, not because of Kanye. Okay, but public sympathy is a very effective ingredient, and the Kanye incident definitely helped push her popularity into a new realm. See also: Ariana Grande following the Manchester bombing and Rihanna following her abuse by Chris Brown. Not all the same but true. |
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Post by Hooker on Dec 9, 2023 23:47:34 GMT
It hadn't occurred to me but I agree that PR has a lot to do with it. I'm sure that making mention of how successful her ticket sales have been was part of the strategy for her appearance on the US edition of 60 Minutes this year. After all, it's quite unusual for an artist to sit for a prime time interview during the middle of a tour. Personally, when it comes to P!nk's PR, I would really love to see less about her kids... That's been done to death and kids in general are annoying enough as it is, lol. P!nk has never had PR. P!nk's tour is the 2nd highest grossing female tour of all time only behind Taylor but P!nk is never talked about on the media. See? Taylor did PR, P!nk doesn't do it and doesn't want it. I can understand why you would think that but P!nk definitely has been assisted by PR in the past. For example, during the Funhouse project, someone by the name of Michele Schweitzer managed her publicity. P!nk mentions her during this interview, after saying something controversial about a political figure: |
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Post by antonio1983 on Dec 10, 2023 0:04:37 GMT
I think Taylor was already very big in the United States before 2009 and then she grew even more. And just like Beyoncé she has a lot of support from the media where anything she does is news and in recent years Taylor has conquered Europe. I still think they are overrated, but I can't deny that they have talent, whether in songwriting or in their shows. The truth is that P!nk never had the support of the media and his team is no help either. Adding to this are the failures of H2BH and Trustfall (album and single sales) and the Summer Carnival Tour is nothing new, he has been recycling since TTALT. I think people are tired of seeing the same things and the same setlist. With all this, she does not attract new fans and the ones she still has are not enough to make her popular at the level of Beyonce and Taylor. Furthermore, Pink uses her social media a lot to talk about politics (especially in the United States where she has never been very popular and this attracts a lot of hate), while Taylor and Beyoncé don't (at least I've never seen it) and to top it off P!nk herself doesn't seem to care about popularity now (but she did in the past when she said she was jealous of Britney and Christina Aguilera). There are a series of factors that contribute to Pink's erasure in relation to other pop divas. Taylor and Beyoncé are very talented, but not at the level of deification that they have today.
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Post by dfantasy on Dec 10, 2023 2:32:33 GMT
Believe me, I used to think that about TS as well, and while I'm still not a fan of hers, there are some great gems in her catalogue esp. folklore. In terms of artistry, I'm sorry to say that P!nk has stagnated, maybe even regressed. TS has progressively changed it up over the years. P!nk, not so much. 20+ years into her career and she's doing songs like Never Gonna Dance... Trustfall while good is outdated. Don't get me started on "Dreaming".
And TS gives everything to her fans - 10-minute All Too Well? We can't even get a 4-minute song out of P!nk these days. Whatever happened to bridges and lyricism - all her songs now are 2 verses, chorus, and repeat to fade. With the "vaults" TS gives old songs to her fans. What do we get for Trustfall Deluxe? Another recording of Cover Me in Sunshine. Like no one needs that on a Deluxe album. Also, TS constantly pumps out original, creative MVs -- P!nk doesn't even bother to film All Out of Fight, which is arguably one of her better songs in recent years. And don't forget TS puts on a 3-hour show for her fans. Of course it may not be as athletic or demanding as P!nk's, but the Summer Carnival tour is a complete rehash (Secrets for Turbulence, etc.) of her older shows.
I'm not a TS fan in the least bit, but I feel she deserves her success, for everything that she gives to her fans.
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Post by mrpink on Dec 10, 2023 2:56:33 GMT
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Post by Danielle on Dec 10, 2023 4:10:47 GMT
P!nk absolutely has, and always has, had a PR team. She never peaked at Taylor's level for many reasons (and I'm not a fan), but "not having PR" isn't one of them.
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Post by itsatrustfallbaby on Dec 10, 2023 4:35:49 GMT
P!nk absolutely has, and always has, had a PR team. She never peaked at Taylor's level for many reasons (and I'm not a fan), but "not having PR" isn't one of them. P!nk doesn't crave popularity contest like Taylor does. I am not a Taylor's fan but I am impressed by the massive amount of money that Taylor spent on promoting her album and singles. P!nk remains the better artist and performer, even though Taylor is a good artist too. |
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Post by itsatrustfallbaby on Dec 10, 2023 4:42:16 GMT
Did everyone already forget the 60 Minutes piece? Just do a Google news search for P!nk and you see loads of news stories about her new tour dates. Probably compatible to the Beyonce publicly. Yes, it's not on hyperdrive like the Taylor Swift machine is but we are seeing something remarkable with her and I can't knock it. Hell, she may even impact the next election. I just don't get why so many want her to compete with other artists. Taylor's PR machine is so big. It's insane because there are many artists who are better than Taylor but never gets that amount of attention. |
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Post by itsatrustfallbaby on Dec 10, 2023 4:43:23 GMT
I think Taylor was already very big in the United States before 2009 and then she grew even more. And just like Beyoncé she has a lot of support from the media where anything she does is news and in recent years Taylor has conquered Europe. I still think they are overrated, but I can't deny that they have talent, whether in songwriting or in their shows. The truth is that P!nk never had the support of the media and his team is no help either. Adding to this are the failures of H2BH and Trustfall (album and single sales) and the Summer Carnival Tour is nothing new, he has been recycling since TTALT. I think people are tired of seeing the same things and the same setlist. With all this, she does not attract new fans and the ones she still has are not enough to make her popular at the level of Beyonce and Taylor. Furthermore, Pink uses her social media a lot to talk about politics (especially in the United States where she has never been very popular and this attracts a lot of hate), while Taylor and Beyoncé don't (at least I've never seen it) and to top it off P!nk herself doesn't seem to care about popularity now (but she did in the past when she said she was jealous of Britney and Christina Aguilera). There are a series of factors that contribute to Pink's erasure in relation to other pop divas. Taylor and Beyoncé are very talented, but not at the level of deification that they have today. Your answer said it all: the only reason TS is bigger than P!nk is because TS's PR machine paid more money to get TS talked about on the media. P!nk remains the better artist. |
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Post by P!nkZomb!e on Dec 10, 2023 5:13:00 GMT
Believe me, I used to think that about TS as well, and while I'm still not a fan of hers, there are some great gems in her catalogue esp. folklore. In terms of artistry, I'm sorry to say that P!nk has stagnated, maybe even regressed. TS has progressively changed it up over the years. P!nk, not so much. 20+ years into her career and she's doing songs like Never Gonna Dance... Trustfall while good is outdated. Don't get me started on "Dreaming". And TS gives everything to her fans - 10-minute All Too Well? We can't even get a 4-minute song out of P!nk these days. Whatever happened to bridges and lyricism - all her songs now are 2 verses, chorus, and repeat to fade. With the "vaults" TS gives old songs to her fans. What do we get for Trustfall Deluxe? Another recording of Cover Me in Sunshine. Like no one needs that on a Deluxe album. Also, TS constantly pumps out original, creative MVs -- P!nk doesn't even bother to film All Out of Fight, which is arguably one of her better songs in recent years. And don't forget TS puts on a 3-hour show for her fans. Of course it may not be as athletic or demanding as P!nk's, but the Summer Carnival tour is a complete rehash (Secrets for Turbulence, etc.) of her older shows. I'm not a TS fan in the least bit, but I feel she deserves her success, for everything that she gives to her fans. 100% Agree. Trustfall Deluxe was a huge disappointment. |
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Post by cal on Dec 10, 2023 5:33:08 GMT
Believe me, I used to think that about TS as well, and while I'm still not a fan of hers, there are some great gems in her catalogue esp. folklore. In terms of artistry, I'm sorry to say that P!nk has stagnated, maybe even regressed. TS has progressively changed it up over the years. P!nk, not so much. 20+ years into her career and she's doing songs like Never Gonna Dance... Trustfall while good is outdated. Don't get me started on "Dreaming". And TS gives everything to her fans - 10-minute All Too Well? We can't even get a 4-minute song out of P!nk these days. Whatever happened to bridges and lyricism - all her songs now are 2 verses, chorus, and repeat to fade. With the "vaults" TS gives old songs to her fans. What do we get for Trustfall Deluxe? Another recording of Cover Me in Sunshine. Like no one needs that on a Deluxe album. Also, TS constantly pumps out original, creative MVs -- P!nk doesn't even bother to film All Out of Fight, which is arguably one of her better songs in recent years. And don't forget TS puts on a 3-hour show for her fans. Of course it may not be as athletic or demanding as P!nk's, but the Summer Carnival tour is a complete rehash (Secrets for Turbulence, etc.) of her older shows. I'm not a TS fan in the least bit, but I feel she deserves her success, for everything that she gives to her fans. This. Although I disagree that NGNDA and TF are bad to do at this stage. NGNDA was exactly what we needed after Covid. |
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Post by Dani on Dec 10, 2023 5:37:42 GMT
LOL P!nk’s PR is shit  They have some kind of PR plan / release plan that always turns out into a WTF I donno how they manage to always fuck things up! And then there’s that. Album is out. Finito. Nobody gives a shit about doing more than what’s “needed”. |
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Post by Dani on Dec 10, 2023 5:38:40 GMT
You can be smart with PR, without seeming like a sellout. There are many great examples out there.
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They have some kind of PR plan / release plan that always turns out into a WTF