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Post by Dani on Mar 6, 2019 18:46:21 GMT
A lot of the people in our Shreadnet group (meaning long time fans from the first board) on Facebook are saying this too. I’m not really convinced yet, but I can understand why they feel that way and I see their points. Maybe older non-hit songs on older albums aren’t “as relevant” to her anymore, as they are to us. Maybe that’s what’s happening here 🤷🏽♀️ I donno. im really sorry that i have to think like that but i think that her "new" success changed her. she was always the underdog in the business and said that she is happy with that but now it seems like that she actually always pursued being this "being bigger" thing which she is now. i dont think its her people since shes really big now and dont need to listen to nobody. and look at artists who are way bigger than pink like the rolling stones or metallica. they always play their core things and even ask their fans about the setlist. and they would never make such a change for a new single. i mean if you have to do this then promote it but dont cut it out. a friend told me that justin timberlake had a new single which came out whithin the tour. so he just played it as an interlude and didnt change the set. he seems to care. even besides this change. to me almost every step of her now is towards her popularity. Yeah it just hit me, after I hit post, that she’s so big now she can control her label more than they control her, because she brings in so much cash. So she is doing this. Hmmm, it is so weird to me. I saw Carey change so much and I want to believe she’s still the same amazing deep caring emotional loving person that money can’t change  I really want to believe that. I hope she just hasn’t seen the perspectives we are seeing and that someone can wake her up a bit and tell her she doesn’t have to compete with anyone and that she can be more proud of her older, unheard, perfect masterpieces |
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Post by coreyhard on Mar 6, 2019 18:54:39 GMT
im really sorry that i have to think like that but i think that her "new" success changed her. she was always the underdog in the business and said that she is happy with that but now it seems like that she actually always pursued being this "being bigger" thing which she is now. i dont think its her people since shes really big now and dont need to listen to nobody. and look at artists who are way bigger than pink like the rolling stones or metallica. they always play their core things and even ask their fans about the setlist. and they would never make such a change for a new single. i mean if you have to do this then promote it but dont cut it out. a friend told me that justin timberlake had a new single which came out whithin the tour. so he just played it as an interlude and didnt change the set. he seems to care. even besides this change. to me almost every step of her now is towards her popularity. Yeah it just hit me, after I hit post, that she’s so big now she can control her label more than they control her, because she brings in so much cash. So she is doing this. Hmmm, it is so weird to me. I saw Carey change so much and I want to believe she’s still the same amazing deep caring emotional loving person that money can’t change I really want to believe that. I hope she just hasn’t seen the perspectives we are seeing and that someone can wake her up a bit and tell her she doesn’t have to compete with anyone and that she can be more proud of her older, unheard, perfect masterpieces honestly its hard to state that but now we probably see the real her. shes not competing otherwise she would compete with the music (not the numbers) like she did in the past. success changes a lot of people and some for the worse. its not that shes a monster but it feels like she thinks that she walks on water now. her whole public behavior in the recent years. and her music is just a mirror of that. |
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Post by Dani on Mar 6, 2019 19:27:46 GMT
Yeah it just hit me, after I hit post, that she’s so big now she can control her label more than they control her, because she brings in so much cash. So she is doing this. Hmmm, it is so weird to me. I saw Carey change so much and I want to believe she’s still the same amazing deep caring emotional loving person that money can’t change I really want to believe that. I hope she just hasn’t seen the perspectives we are seeing and that someone can wake her up a bit and tell her she doesn’t have to compete with anyone and that she can be more proud of her older, unheard, perfect masterpieces honestly its hard to state that but now we probably see the real her. shes not competing otherwise she would compete with the music (not the numbers) like she did in the past. success changes a lot of people and some for the worse. its not that shes a monster but it feels like she thinks that she walks on water now. her whole public behavior in the recent years. and her music is just a mirror of that. Real her? So she was fake her for 20 years? Or what do you mean with that? There’s nothing wrong with wanting success and making money. Or maybe you mean something else? And about her music, Beautiful Trauma was amazing to me, so I can’t say I agree with you on that part. I’m not happy with IND being gone, and her playing her most popular songs just because everyone knows them. And what public behavior? I really am not asking these questions to upset you, I just haven’t seen what you see so I’m curious to understand what you mean. |
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Post by Sollatka on Mar 6, 2019 20:08:08 GMT
I KNOW!  But why else would they replace it? WMH is so short they could just add it to the setlist.. I dunno.. Just makes me sad  It makes me sad too. It felt like she actually enjoyed performing the song and that it meant a lot to her too, not just to us. I understand that at least half of the songs need to be big hits because it has to fit 99% of the people there, and it's fun for them to sing along and yada yada, but the whole show doesn't! Plus, if they don't know one song, so what? Maybe they like to hear something they haven't heard before, maybe it'll make them curious about more of them songs that they haven't heard before. I'm not dead was the last hope I had for that, the rest is already overplayed on the radio. I want people to get to know her other songs too and not just the ones that are already in the light. But whatever, I'll just go be upset by myself and hope that somebody will think of that perspective some day too and not just what song would win a popularity contest    Exactly.. I mean I really wish she would do more old songs or at least mashups of old songs.. oh well.... we'll see what they'll come up with for the summer. Also she could just do a small tour someday where she plays everything else but the radio hits   |
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Post by Dani on Mar 6, 2019 20:18:23 GMT
It makes me sad too. It felt like she actually enjoyed performing the song and that it meant a lot to her too, not just to us. I understand that at least half of the songs need to be big hits because it has to fit 99% of the people there, and it's fun for them to sing along and yada yada, but the whole show doesn't! Plus, if they don't know one song, so what? Maybe they like to hear something they haven't heard before, maybe it'll make them curious about more of them songs that they haven't heard before. I'm not dead was the last hope I had for that, the rest is already overplayed on the radio. I want people to get to know her other songs too and not just the ones that are already in the light. But whatever, I'll just go be upset by myself and hope that somebody will think of that perspective some day too and not just what song would win a popularity contest Exactly.. I mean I really wish she would do more old songs or at least mashups of old songs.. oh well.... we'll see what they'll come up with for the summer. Also she could just do a small tour someday where she plays everything else but the radio hits I really think she doesn’t think it’s such a big deal for us. I think she’s over the old parts of her life = the music too. Since her music has always been a reflection of her life and her problems. I think, compared to most, that she’s still true to herself and with that it means that she does the songs that are relevant for her, and not really caring about popularty blablabla as it might seem to us that she does. I donno. I really wish sometimes i could just ask her something and she’d reply lol. But sure, she must compromise too with what the audience wants to hear = hits. There’s us and then there’s people buying tickets/recent fans that know her by her hits. It’s hard to please everyone, so maybe we just have to be OK to suffer this one time 🤷🏽♀️ |
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Post by coreyhard on Mar 6, 2019 22:16:37 GMT
honestly its hard to state that but now we probably see the real her. shes not competing otherwise she would compete with the music (not the numbers) like she did in the past. success changes a lot of people and some for the worse. its not that shes a monster but it feels like she thinks that she walks on water now. her whole public behavior in the recent years. and her music is just a mirror of that. Real her? So she was fake her for 20 years? Or what do you mean with that? There’s nothing wrong with wanting success and making money. Or maybe you mean something else? And about her music, Beautiful Trauma was amazing to me, so I can’t say I agree with you on that part. I’m not happy with IND being gone, and her playing her most popular songs just because everyone knows them. And what public behavior? I really am not asking these questions to upset you, I just haven’t seen what you see so I’m curious to understand what you mean. fake was probably the wrong term and i didnt mean to offend her at all but maybe she just didnt say it out loud in the past that this was always her goal. being on top no matter how. its hard to explain but i can feel it. maybe im the only one. and to me her public behaviour is everything she does on tv, her shows, social media etc. in the past she wasnt commenting things so from "above" like now a lot of times. to me she became a bit too arrogant. not in that badass way we knew her before but just in an assway. its hard to describe. but i think its like with what you said with carey. he changed too and i think you didnt mean the "normal" change with age and becoming a parent. thats probably how i feel about her in a way. |
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Post by jonloch1 on Mar 6, 2019 23:44:21 GMT
Can I just say - ive skimmed through all the reecent comments. and I apologise if ive gotten the wrong end of the stick. But it feels like people have heard Walk Me Home, disliked it which is fair enough, but then judged her and said things like aw shes changed, shes gone too mainstream, etc. ITS ONE BLOODY SONG!! I said it on here last week or the week before, I don't absolutely love WMH, its grown on me and I think its a decent song but nowhere near her best. It doesn't mean shes changed or im now officially not a pink fan. I wasn't a great fan of What About Us? but i loved the rest of the BT album. im no doubt going to be the same with HTBH
Also another thing, i feel like she cant win anymore. everyone is moaning about WMH saying its not like pink shes changed. But if you take Revenge which to me is classic pink, funny silly fun song, look at the thread on here on everyones least favourite BT song, Revenge is top of the poll and many people say they dislike it. So i feel like she cant win anymore
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Post by imnotdead on Mar 7, 2019 0:27:03 GMT
. But if you take Revenge which to me is classic pink, funny silly fun song, look at the thread on here on everyones least favourite BT song, Revenge is top of the poll and many people say they dislike it. So i feel like she cant win anymore Funny you should say that. I was watching the swish swish video last week which was directed by Dave meyers and wished that pink would do one with him again like back in the day - but I think she is past that now, maybe as she is older and signing about more ‘adult’ things, maybe? I suppose what I mean there is the I’m not dead days, try this etc we related to her because she was going through issues of growing up, finding herself etc as that was her experience - now she would relate to people that are struggling with families, relationships, the world in general so i suppose in that way she changed - but that’s because she has grown and changed. And also the world has changed - she probably does need to be a bit more diplomatic these days in her opinions and comments because these social media kids would annihilate her even more. |
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Post by qcpatdive on Mar 7, 2019 2:58:09 GMT
I really think she doesn’t think it’s such a big deal for us. I think she’s over the old parts of her life = the music too. Since her music has always been a reflection of her life and her problems. I think, compared to most, that she’s still true to herself and with that it means that she does the songs that are relevant for her, and not really caring about popularty blablabla as it might seem to us that she does. I donno. I really wish sometimes i could just ask her something and she’d reply lol. But sure, she must compromise too with what the audience wants to hear = hits. There’s us and then there’s people buying tickets/recent fans that know her by her hits. It’s hard to please everyone, so maybe we just have to be OK to suffer this one time 🤷🏽♀️ That's exactly what I think. If a song is not relevant anymore for her, she doesn't sing it, unless it is a big hit that the crowd wants to hear, like JLAP or GTPS. She probably prefers singing her newest songs, because they reflects how she is now. Obviously, it looks like a greatest hits show. And it is a little bit annoying for us. |
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Post by Sollatka on Mar 7, 2019 4:38:52 GMT
Exactly.. I mean I really wish she would do more old songs or at least mashups of old songs.. oh well.... we'll see what they'll come up with for the summer. Also she could just do a small tour someday where she plays everything else but the radio hits I really think she doesn’t think it’s such a big deal for us. I think she’s over the old parts of her life = the music too. Since her music has always been a reflection of her life and her problems. I think, compared to most, that she’s still true to herself and with that it means that she does the songs that are relevant for her, and not really caring about popularty blablabla as it might seem to us that she does. I donno. I really wish sometimes i could just ask her something and she’d reply lol. But sure, she must compromise too with what the audience wants to hear = hits. There’s us and then there’s people buying tickets/recent fans that know her by her hits. It’s hard to please everyone, so maybe we just have to be OK to suffer this one time 🤷🏽♀️ Of course this are just my silly wishes..😛 You might be right about that and if that's the case she should sing songs she wants. I'm just excited to see her perform again.. I miss it❤️ I don't dislike WMH and I'm very curious about what's to come. Also even if her new songs are not going to be my favorite anymore doesn't mean she's not the person I've looked up to for all this years. Of course she's changed but so have we. She means a lot more than just music to me❤️ |
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Post by alrightsir on Mar 7, 2019 6:26:28 GMT
Well, she's been compromising way too much, that's for sure. And I don't think it's only RCA, or her management. Let's be real: this is her job. If she wants to have soldout tours as a touring artist you need the hits to keep you relevant until you get to certain point where people just go to see you because they know what they're getting. I think she's at this point now. She could tour the rest of her life with her massive catalog of hits.
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This new album is weird in so many ways. At first it felt like something she would release as a love project (because it's so soon) but now with the first single, the producers on the album, how she didn't do a photoshoot for the album or doesn't do any interviews or promo, ehm...it really feels like an album which the label wanted to put out, so she just uses previous material. And that is compromising, or even letting your artistry go. Obviously she's still in control, but I definitely feel like she choose comfort now.
And OT, she chose to let go the ONE SONG on the setlist which showed her artistic lyricism and emotional musicality the best - yeah only the fans knew it, but come on, we're having this Greatest Hits Tour, but that doesn't mean you can't perform other songs! All the concerts I've been to had songs I didn't know, and I got to like them after hearing them! So this is not an excuse. And yet she chose to get get rid of the ONLY SONG which was a well known (does she even know? I don't really know) fan favorite and also a brilliant song on its own, deserved to heard by millions. Why?
I really thought after Beautiful Trauma we say goodbye to the commercial P!nk. Then the news came and I got so surprised. Then I saw what's happening and now it's still a surprise, but not a positive one.
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Post by pumpkinshoes on Mar 7, 2019 14:16:40 GMT
Well, she's been compromising way too much, that's for sure. And I don't think it's only RCA, or her management. Let's be real: this is her job. If she wants to have soldout tours as a touring artist you need the hits to keep you relevant until you get to certain point where people just go to see you because they know what they're getting. I think she's at this point now. She could tour the rest of her life with her massive catalog of hits. But... This new album is weird in so many ways. At first it felt like something she would release as a love project (because it's so soon) but now with the first single, the producers on the album, how she didn't do a photoshoot for the album or doesn't do any interviews or promo, ehm...it really feels like an album which the label wanted to put out, so she just uses previous material. And that is compromising, or even letting your artistry go. Obviously she's still in control, but I definitely feel like she choose comfort now. And OT, she chose to let go the ONE SONG on the setlist which showed her artistic lyricism and emotional musicality the best - yeah only the fans knew it, but come on, we're having this Greatest Hits Tour, but that doesn't mean you can't perform other songs! All the concerts I've been to had songs I didn't know, and I got to like them after hearing them! So this is not an excuse. And yet she chose to get get rid of the ONLY SONG which was a well known (does she even know? I don't really know) fan favorite and also a brilliant song on its own, deserved to heard by millions. Why? I really thought after Beautiful Trauma we say goodbye to the commercial P!nk. Then the news came and I got so surprised. Then I saw what's happening and now it's still a surprise, but not a positive one. I agree. What doesn't make sense to me is the fact that she could make better compromises. Despite her doing what she does mainly from the point of view of the big audiences, the masses, she could STILL make more room for stuff that only her long term fans may appreciate or go crazy about. Walk me home really isn't a masterpiece musically or lyrically, it's a nice song but it seems like a left over, a safe bet. IND is amazing and really deserves its spot. Among so many other songs she's left out. I think that her words and actions don't always go along, like what she said in a promo interview for TTAL about there once being a formula but she wanted to go beyond that. Yeah, she partly did so, especially with Beautiful Trauma. But I'd like it to show more. Walk me home is pretty much the "formula" again. That doesn't have to be a bad thing but to me personally it's a little bit of a disappointment. I agree with you Döme, I'm guessing she's releasing Hurts 2B Human because her contract says she has to release X amount of albums in X amount of time. So she releases Hurts 2B human while she is still on tour, without having to promo it, so that she can take a longer break when she finishes. Which I do understand, family is important. I just have to remind myself again, that at the end of the day she is a mainstream pop artist because she wants to be. |
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Post by alrightsir on Mar 7, 2019 14:36:36 GMT
Well, she's been compromising way too much, that's for sure. And I don't think it's only RCA, or her management. Let's be real: this is her job. If she wants to have soldout tours as a touring artist you need the hits to keep you relevant until you get to certain point where people just go to see you because they know what they're getting. I think she's at this point now. She could tour the rest of her life with her massive catalog of hits. But... This new album is weird in so many ways. At first it felt like something she would release as a love project (because it's so soon) but now with the first single, the producers on the album, how she didn't do a photoshoot for the album or doesn't do any interviews or promo, ehm...it really feels like an album which the label wanted to put out, so she just uses previous material. And that is compromising, or even letting your artistry go. Obviously she's still in control, but I definitely feel like she choose comfort now. And OT, she chose to let go the ONE SONG on the setlist which showed her artistic lyricism and emotional musicality the best - yeah only the fans knew it, but come on, we're having this Greatest Hits Tour, but that doesn't mean you can't perform other songs! All the concerts I've been to had songs I didn't know, and I got to like them after hearing them! So this is not an excuse. And yet she chose to get get rid of the ONLY SONG which was a well known (does she even know? I don't really know) fan favorite and also a brilliant song on its own, deserved to heard by millions. Why? I really thought after Beautiful Trauma we say goodbye to the commercial P!nk. Then the news came and I got so surprised. Then I saw what's happening and now it's still a surprise, but not a positive one. I agree. What doesn't make sense to me is the fact that she could make better compromises. Despite her doing what she does mainly from the point of view of the big audiences, the masses, she could STILL make more room for stuff that only her long term fans may appreciate or go crazy about. Walk me home really isn't a masterpiece musically or lyrically, it's a nice song but it seems like a left over, a safe bet. IND is amazing and really deserves its spot. Among so many other songs she's left out. I think that her words and actions don't always go along, like what she said in a promo interview for TTAL about there once being a formula but she wanted to go beyond that. Yeah, she partly did so, especially with Beautiful Trauma. But I'd like it to show more. Walk me home is pretty much the "formula" again. That doesn't have to be a bad thing but to me personally it's a little bit of a disappointment. I agree with you Döme, I'm guessing she's releasing Hurts 2B Human because her contract says she has to release X amount of albums in X amount of time. So she releases Hurts 2B human while she is still on tour, without having to promo it, so that she can take a longer break when she finishes. Which I do understand, family is important. I just have to remind myself again, that at the end of the day she is a mainstream pop artist because she wants to be. Yeah. Everything is 100% calculated now, the star she was getting and the Brit performance was just a promotional opportunity before she goes on tour again. She's playing a different game now. To put an end on an endless discussion, being a mainstream pop artist, having a family and different priorities is not an excuse for giving up on your musical quality - which she's sometimes been lacking of lately. WMH actually crossed a line for a lot of us in this aspect, that's why the heated discussions. Let's hope one day she will do a musical lovechild again like rose ave. or M!ssundaztood. |
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Post by Dani on Mar 7, 2019 16:33:53 GMT
Real her? So she was fake her for 20 years? Or what do you mean with that? There’s nothing wrong with wanting success and making money. Or maybe you mean something else? And about her music, Beautiful Trauma was amazing to me, so I can’t say I agree with you on that part. I’m not happy with IND being gone, and her playing her most popular songs just because everyone knows them. And what public behavior? I really am not asking these questions to upset you, I just haven’t seen what you see so I’m curious to understand what you mean. fake was probably the wrong term and i didnt mean to offend her at all but maybe she just didnt say it out loud in the past that this was always her goal. being on top no matter how. its hard to explain but i can feel it. maybe im the only one. and to me her public behaviour is everything she does on tv, her shows, social media etc. in the past she wasnt commenting things so from "above" like now a lot of times. to me she became a bit too arrogant. not in that badass way we knew her before but just in an assway. its hard to describe. but i think its like with what you said with carey. he changed too and i think you didnt mean the "normal" change with age and becoming a parent. thats probably how i feel about her in a way. OK. Thanks for explaining  |
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Post by Dani on Mar 7, 2019 16:36:20 GMT
Can I just say - ive skimmed through all the reecent comments. and I apologise if ive gotten the wrong end of the stick. But it feels like people have heard Walk Me Home, disliked it which is fair enough, but then judged her and said things like aw shes changed, shes gone too mainstream, etc. ITS ONE BLOODY SONG!! I said it on here last week or the week before, I don't absolutely love WMH, its grown on me and I think its a decent song but nowhere near her best. It doesn't mean shes changed or im now officially not a pink fan. I wasn't a great fan of What About Us? but i loved the rest of the BT album. im no doubt going to be the same with HTBH Also another thing, i feel like she cant win anymore. everyone is moaning about WMH saying its not like pink shes changed. But if you take Revenge which to me is classic pink, funny silly fun song, look at the thread on here on everyones least favourite BT song, Revenge is top of the poll and many people say they dislike it. So i feel like she cant win anymore Nah, the recent comments didn't even mention WMH. It was just these changes that have happened recent years that we are reflecting on, one of them being about IND taken off the setlist, sharing our different views on it and just throwing thoughts out in the thin air, right or wrong, relevant or not. |
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I really want to believe that. I hope she just hasn’t seen the perspectives we are seeing and that someone can wake her up a bit and tell her she doesn’t have to compete with anyone and that she can be more proud of her older, unheard, perfect masterpieces 
But why else would they replace it? WMH is so short they could just add it to the setlist.. I dunno.. Just makes me sad 
