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Post by Hooker on Nov 14, 2023 23:17:29 GMT
P!nk just announced she'll team up with the free expression organisation PEN America and a Florida bookseller to give away banned books at her upcoming concerts. To learn more about this contentious issue, you can stream or download my recording of her Instagram Live about this here, and read their official statement here. This called to mind when she kicked out a concertgoer for protesting against circumcision at her show earlier this year. You can watch the full video of this interaction here. I don't know what she has to do with that topic and think that man was weird and inappropriate for bringing it up, so I can understand why she felt compelled to protect the enjoyment of others. However, is this all a bit hypocritical of her on the basis that he too was entitled to continue his odd little protest, particularly since she is such a staunch protector of this very American right? I raise this question as a devil's advocate and not because I am for or against the topic of circumcision. I thought it was an interesting clash of examples of rights and principles. |
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Post by cal on Nov 15, 2023 0:13:43 GMT
I agree that it's a bit hypocritical. She kicks someone out for spreading his believes and then goes right on to sing a song to her entire audience about her beliefs? I think she should have said something like "you are entitled to your opinion, and I ask that you please view further from the stage." so he wasn't in her face, but wasnt kicked out.
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Post by borsi81 on Nov 15, 2023 9:07:58 GMT
I don't think it's the same thing. It's HER concert, so obviously she will sing about HER beliefs. That guy wasn't a fan, and only went there to protest, and to provoke her (quite agressively as it seemed), so I think she had every right to kick him out. I could understand that she didn't want to continue the concert with that guy in the audience. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by jungleland1972 on Nov 15, 2023 12:32:07 GMT
I don't think it's the same thing. It's HER concert, so obviously she will sing about HER beliefs. That guy wasn't a fan, and only went there to protest, and to provoke her (quite agressively as it seemed), so I think she had every right to kick him out. I could understand that she didn't want to continue the concert with that guy in the audience. But that's just my opinion. 100% Agree. She has the stage, she has the mic, we paid to see her, and by default hear her views. She doesn't hide her beliefs, so we know what we are getting into when we go. We don't pay for other people to insert themselves into the one-sided conversation she is having with her fans during the concert. One of the reasons why Irrelevant was a highlight on this tour for me. The song rocks, the message rocks and the fans dig it. I don't need anyone else rushing the stage to promote their cause they care about. |
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Post by Hooker on Nov 16, 2023 9:58:34 GMT
I don't think it's the same thing. It's HER concert, so obviously she will sing about HER beliefs. That guy wasn't a fan, and only went there to protest, and to provoke her (quite agressively as it seemed), so I think she had every right to kick him out. I could understand that she didn't want to continue the concert with that guy in the audience. But that's just my opinion. I see your point and pretty much agree, but would you argue the same against those protestors who gatecrash every UN climate summit, for instance? Just saying. Imagine how much more belittling it would've been for that loser if she just said "oh, whatever, anyway!" and went on to ignore him as he slowly crawled back into his seat. |
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Post by borsi81 on Nov 16, 2023 17:07:05 GMT
I don't think it's the same thing. It's HER concert, so obviously she will sing about HER beliefs. That guy wasn't a fan, and only went there to protest, and to provoke her (quite agressively as it seemed), so I think she had every right to kick him out. I could understand that she didn't want to continue the concert with that guy in the audience. But that's just my opinion. I see your point and pretty much agree, but would you argue the same against those protestors who gatecrash every UN climate summit, for instance? Just saying. Imagine how much more belittling it would've been for that loser if she just said "oh, whatever, anyway!" and went on to ignore him as he slowly crawled back into his seat. I don't know, to me it felt right that she kicked him out. That guy was totally out of place with that protest, and way too agressive. (not to mention that this happened right before she was about to sing When I Get There) But again, as I said, this is just my opinion. |
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Post by Dani on Nov 17, 2023 8:59:05 GMT
What. Are you serious! Since when was a gig a forum for random protests!? Come on😬I’m happy she shut him up! She’s booked to preform, and that’s what people paid for.
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Post by Hooker on Nov 17, 2023 9:13:28 GMT
What. Are you serious! Since when was a gig a forum for random protests!? Come on😬I’m happy she shut him up! She’s booked to preform, and that’s what people paid for. It's not such a forum, at least not for those who aren't the artist, but Americans and the principle of their right to freedom of speech... We, including P!nk, don't have to like it but it is a person's right, right? I mean, who was the loser legally offending? No-one, essentially. |
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Post by borsi81 on Nov 17, 2023 10:32:44 GMT
Personal right to make a scene at a concert? Free speech at a concert where people go to listen to the artist, not some random guy's tantrum? Sorry, I will never understand how this can be considered normal. I guess something is really wrong with me then.
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Post by Dani on Nov 17, 2023 10:55:14 GMT
Personal right to make a scene at a concert? Free speech at a concert where people go to listen to the artist, not some random guy's tantrum? Sorry, I will never understand how this can be considered normal. I guess something is really wrong with me then. ^^ this is my reply as well, Hooker |
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Post by jungleland1972 on Nov 17, 2023 13:18:51 GMT
What. Are you serious! Since when was a gig a forum for random protests!? Come on😬I’m happy she shut him up! She’s booked to preform, and that’s what people paid for. It's not such a forum, at least not for those who aren't the artist, but Americans and the principle of their right to freedom of speech... We, including P!nk, don't have to like it but it is a person's right, right? I mean, who was the loser legally offending? No-one, essentially. I never understand why people don't understand what freedom of speech actually means. It's allows for speech that the government can't subvert. It has nothing to do with some asshat trying to interrupt a concert. |
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Post by Hooker on Nov 17, 2023 22:18:30 GMT
It's not such a forum, at least not for those who aren't the artist, but Americans and the principle of their right to freedom of speech... We, including P!nk, don't have to like it but it is a person's right, right? I mean, who was the loser legally offending? No-one, essentially. I never understand why people don't understand what freedom of speech actually means. It's allows for speech that the government can't subvert. It has nothing to do with some asshat trying to interrupt a concert. So, you don't agree that it was an act of censorship, however justified it may have been? Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient"... Direct censorship may or may not be legal.
Per en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship |
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Post by Hooker on Nov 17, 2023 22:21:31 GMT
Personal right to make a scene at a concert? Free speech at a concert where people go to listen to the artist, not some random guy's tantrum? Sorry, I will never understand how this can be considered normal. I guess something is really wrong with me then. Don't get your knickers in a twist, mate. Nobody said it was 'normal' behaviour or that there's something 'wrong' with you if you disagree. |
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Post by Dani on Nov 18, 2023 18:34:21 GMT
I never understand why people don't understand what freedom of speech actually means. It's allows for speech that the government can't subvert. It has nothing to do with some asshat trying to interrupt a concert. So, you don't agree that it was an act of censorship, however justified it may have been? Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient"... Direct censorship may or may not be legal.
Per en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CensorshipLol. If anyone censored anything it’s him censoring her by stealing her time from her show. It’s more of a disrespectful interruption than anything. |
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Post by jungleland1972 on Nov 20, 2023 12:08:47 GMT
I never understand why people don't understand what freedom of speech actually means. It's allows for speech that the government can't subvert. It has nothing to do with some asshat trying to interrupt a concert. So, you don't agree that it was an act of censorship, however justified it may have been? Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient"... Direct censorship may or may not be legal.
Per en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CensorshipIf you call, say, walking into the middle of a football game and interrupting it to yell about how I don't like the abuse house crickets are suffering at the hands of greedy homeowners who kill them and don't let them live peacefully in their basement censorship, then I guess it's censorship. No, I don't think it's censorship as a fan at a concert doesn't have a right to interrupt it. |
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