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Post by Dani on Mar 25, 2020 9:21:26 GMT
Well you just reminded me that a discussion with you isn’t possible. As I see it, this isn't a discussion, but a question from my side. Great. |
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Post by Dani on Mar 25, 2020 9:21:44 GMT
Wooo Trump is saving the country. How unpredictable. All hail KING TRUMP! 🤴🤮 😴😴😴 |
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Post by buffy on Mar 25, 2020 10:35:19 GMT
As I see it, this isn't a discussion, but a question from my side. Great. Thanks for reminding why I try to avoid this forum. 👍🏻 |
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Post by drnick on Mar 25, 2020 10:49:08 GMT
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Post by drnick on Mar 25, 2020 10:59:28 GMT
Thanks for reminding why I try to avoid this forum. 👍🏻 Is this the first recession in your life? 2008 wasn't that long ago. Less work to do means people lose their jobs. Not just in the US, happens in Europe, too. Unemployment goes up. Sure people will get re-hired when the economy gets back on track. But in the meantime they lose their jobs. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Dani on Mar 25, 2020 11:09:57 GMT
Thanks for reminding why I try to avoid this forum. 👍🏻 If you’d stop taking every friggin word so personal each time it’d be possible to have a conversation with you. Bye! |
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Post by Dani on Mar 25, 2020 11:13:44 GMT
Thanks for reminding why I try to avoid this forum. 👍🏻 Is this the first recession in your life? 2008 wasn't that long ago. Less work to do means people lose their jobs. Not just in the US, happens in Europe, too. Unemployment goes up. Sure people will get re-hired when the economy gets back on track. But in the meantime they lose their jobs. 🤷♂️ Yeah, and losing a job and getting support by social security are two different things. |
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Post by buffy on Mar 25, 2020 13:29:01 GMT
Thanks for reminding why I try to avoid this forum. 👍🏻 Is this the first recession in your life? 2008 wasn't that long ago. Less work to do means people lose their jobs. Not just in the US, happens in Europe, too. Unemployment goes up. Sure people will get re-hired when the economy gets back on track. But in the meantime they lose their jobs. 🤷♂️ Ok. I didn't know people in US (probably not only US) get fired when the company has to close due to the corona crisis (or any other technical issue or whatever). I assumed there was some kind of safety net like we have. People don't get fired. They are temporarily unemployed and get payed by the government, but, unless the company goes bankrupt, they, in most cases, don't lose their job. And yeah, I know social security doesn't cover your salary. 🙄 |
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Post by drnick on Mar 25, 2020 13:46:38 GMT
Is this the first recession in your life? 2008 wasn't that long ago. Less work to do means people lose their jobs. Not just in the US, happens in Europe, too. Unemployment goes up. Sure people will get re-hired when the economy gets back on track. But in the meantime they lose their jobs. 🤷♂️ Ok. I didn't know people in US (probably not only US) get fired when the company has to close due to the corona crisis (or any other technical issue or whatever). I assumed there was some kind of safety net like we have. People don't get fired. They are temporarily unemployed and get payed by the government, but, unless the company goes bankrupt, they, in most cases, don't lose their job. And yeah, I know social security doesn't cover your salary. 🙄 There are two different things, one is short-time allowance where people stay employed, but work less, like 50% only, so the employer just pays the 50% actual work time and the government pays something so the employees get 60-75% in total, unemployment help and social security benefits are for people who lost their jobs though. |
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Post by drnick on Mar 25, 2020 14:02:41 GMT
Spot the problem: 🤦♂️
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Post by buffy on Mar 25, 2020 14:08:35 GMT
Ok. I didn't know people in US (probably not only US) get fired when the company has to close due to the corona crisis (or any other technical issue or whatever). I assumed there was some kind of safety net like we have. People don't get fired. They are temporarily unemployed and get payed by the government, but, unless the company goes bankrupt, they, in most cases, don't lose their job. And yeah, I know social security doesn't cover your salary. 🙄 There are two different things, one is short-time allowance where people stay employed, but work less, like 50% only, so the employer just pays the 50% actual work time and the government pays something so the employees get 60-75% in total, unemployment help and social security benefits are for people who lost their jobs though. And that is so where you live? I don't know much about tbh, hence my question aboutthe situation in US now. Over here, lots of people atm are temporarily unemployed, they don't go to work, cause the companies are closed, the employer doens't pay them, they get 70% of their gross salary payed by the government. But the contract between the employer and employee isn't broken. |
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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 6:44:07 GMT
Ok. I didn't know people in US (probably not only US) get fired when the company has to close due to the corona crisis (or any other technical issue or whatever). I assumed there was some kind of safety net like we have. People don't get fired. They are temporarily unemployed and get payed by the government, but, unless the company goes bankrupt, they, in most cases, don't lose their job. And yeah, I know social security doesn't cover your salary. 🙄 There are two different things, one is short-time allowance where people stay employed, but work less, like 50% only, so the employer just pays the 50% actual work time and the government pays something so the employees get 60-75% in total, unemployment help and social security benefits are for people who lost their jobs though. Exactly. And some companies (big and small) at least here, can now loan money from the government to pay some % of the bills, like rent and what not else that needs to be payed beside the salaries. Bills that would make the smaller companies die in no time. And now they can at least survive, but they will have a hard time for some years. To be honest, I’m all here for the small companies but the big ones can have it. They take out millions and millions per head in bonuses per year. It’s time they land with their feet on the ground too. |
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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 6:52:14 GMT
It’s the first time that I’m not completely convinced that Trump is doing the wrong thing by opening up the country, even if it’s a huge risk and could as well create a total disaster, he could also be choosing a smaller disaster than what it could be.
Time will tell what the right thing to do was, I guess.
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Post by heehawes on Mar 26, 2020 8:21:17 GMT
It’s the first time that I’m not completely convinced that Trump is doing the wrong thing by opening up the country, even if it’s a huge risk and could as well create a total disaster, he could also be choosing a smaller disaster than what it could be. Time will tell what the right thing to do was, I guess. 😰 |
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Post by heehawes on Mar 26, 2020 8:27:12 GMT
I hear what you're saying.... it just makes me nervous
I think we should still keep travel limited.
keep the distancing until testing can provide more accurate numbers to see what we are dealing with....
also to slow the rate of infection and not exhaust our resources.
to open everything up now seems like everything was for nothing.
I worry about a decision like this
I worry that people will get a false sense of security, and that things will spike up far worse than they are now.
that we will have a situation worse than Italy's
the "time will tell" comment is right, in my opinion - and I think we should wait and get a better grasp on things, rather than taking a guess. 😬
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