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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 15:50:48 GMT
I just hope most Americans are smart enough to not put a dollar on any bill right now and save whatever coin they could.
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Post by Kimpie on Mar 26, 2020 15:56:34 GMT
There are two different things, one is short-time allowance where people stay employed, but work less, like 50% only, so the employer just pays the 50% actual work time and the government pays something so the employees get 60-75% in total, unemployment help and social security benefits are for people who lost their jobs though. And that is so where you live? I don't know much about tbh, hence my question aboutthe situation in US now. Over here, lots of people atm are temporarily unemployed, they don't go to work, cause the companies are closed, the employer doens't pay them, they get 70% of their gross salary payed by the government. But the contract between the employer and employee isn't broken. You are from Belgium? That's exactly what happens here. Contracts aren't broken just unemployed due to circumstances. |
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Post by qcpatdive on Mar 26, 2020 16:10:06 GMT
I still think there’s a big chance that a total lockdown of your whole country will kill/harm more people than the virus will. I think so, and it will kill younger people. Kids, teenagers, young adults. My dad (who fights a cancer) told me the other day "protect your kids and yourself. That's the most important. I'm okay with that if I die from this virus. Don't put me in a life support. Leave them for younger or healthier persons" 😢 I think, as a society, we need to have a discussion on our priorities. In the News today, they talked about an old woman (93 years old) who is hospitalised with covid-19, on life support, in coma. Her family told that she has Alzheimer's disease with a lot of comorbidities. I'm sad for her and her family but ... I don't know 😩😢😢😢 |
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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 16:18:11 GMT
And that is so where you live? I don't know much about tbh, hence my question aboutthe situation in US now. Over here, lots of people atm are temporarily unemployed, they don't go to work, cause the companies are closed, the employer doens't pay them, they get 70% of their gross salary payed by the government. But the contract between the employer and employee isn't broken. You are from Belgium? That's exactly what happens here. Contracts aren't broken just unemployed due to circumstances. So the government gives away the money to companies and people, and it's not a loan? To me that sounds INSANE. Lol. |
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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 16:19:03 GMT
Lunatic insane  |
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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 16:20:53 GMT
I still think there’s a big chance that a total lockdown of your whole country will kill/harm more people than the virus will. I think so, and it will kill younger people. Kids, teenagers, young adults. My dad (who fights a cancer) told me the other day "protect your kids and yourself. That's the most important. I'm okay with that if I die from this virus. Don't put me in a life support. Leave them for younger or healthier persons" 😢 I think, as a society, we need to have a discussion on our priorities. In the News today, they talked about an old woman (93 years old) who is hospitalised with covid-19, on life support, in coma. Her family told that she has Alzheimer's disease with a lot of comorbidities. I'm sad for her and her family but ... I don't know 😩😢😢😢 Exactly. It's going to have to be a discussion about that. For sure. In most countries. It's sad but it's a fucking sad situation. Today I went to the city to get TBE shot and I counted the amount of people I met on the way. It was about 28 elderly and like 8 that's not elderly. Fuming, lol. |
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Post by Kimpie on Mar 26, 2020 16:43:27 GMT
You are from Belgium? That's exactly what happens here. Contracts aren't broken just unemployed due to circumstances. So the government gives away the money to companies and people, and it's not a loan? To me that sounds INSANE. Lol. 70% of the salary indeed payed by government. But a lot of people are working from home. My husband and I both keep working from home and I think a lot of companies give their employees the possibility to work at home. How does it work in Sweden? When you are unemployed due to the crisis, contract is broken? Can't believe that. Sweden is normally even better in taking care of employees. |
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Post by drnick on Mar 26, 2020 17:16:37 GMT
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Post by drnick on Mar 26, 2020 17:17:03 GMT
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Post by qcpatdive on Mar 26, 2020 17:43:43 GMT
Our prime minister told us that food banks need help because more people are in need right now, specially kids. Mostly because parents "lost" their jobs or are waiting for a unemployment pay.
So he asked people who are unemployed to be volunteers to pack food or serve soups 🤔.
Did we create the problem?
They closed stores and schools to favorise social distancing...
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Post by buffy on Mar 26, 2020 17:55:43 GMT
And that is so where you live? I don't know much about tbh, hence my question aboutthe situation in US now. Over here, lots of people atm are temporarily unemployed, they don't go to work, cause the companies are closed, the employer doens't pay them, they get 70% of their gross salary payed by the government. But the contract between the employer and employee isn't broken. You are from Belgium? That's exactly what happens here. Contracts aren't broken just unemployed due to circumstances. Yes I am too. And it may be insane, but people over here aren't in huge depts after all this. Besides, we pay a lo-ot of taxes. They're even talking about postponement of payment for mortgages and rent. |
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Post by qcpatdive on Mar 26, 2020 18:38:13 GMT
You are from Belgium? That's exactly what happens here. Contracts aren't broken just unemployed due to circumstances. Yes I am too. And it may be insane, but people over here aren't in huge depts after all this. Besides, we pay a lo-ot of taxes. They're even talking about postponement of payment for mortgages and rent. In Canada, we also have different programs to help unemployed people. The federal government will give $2000 a month (for max 4 months) to those who lost their job or those who are not receiving income because of disruptions to their work situation. Even if their income was lower than that!! After that, they may be (or not) eligible to unemployment insurance. And there are a lot of different programs. Basically, we are living a health crisis, than an economic crisis and finally a public finance crisis. That means less investments in schools, infrastructures, health cares, etc... With all the consequences. |
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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 18:43:22 GMT
So the government gives away the money to companies and people, and it's not a loan? To me that sounds INSANE. Lol. 70% of the salary indeed payed by government. But a lot of people are working from home. My husband and I both keep working from home and I think a lot of companies give their employees the possibility to work at home. How does it work in Sweden? When you are unemployed due to the crisis, contract is broken? Can't believe that. Sweden is normally even better in taking care of employees. We have the same here. 3/4 of the salary comes from the tax funds, employers pay the rest. But not every company is qualified to get that. First you need to fire people that are employed hourly (most people in shops and bars and restaurants here are employed hourly) plus to be able to prove that the company will be doing good again once it's all back to normal. Companies also take loan with 6% interest rate (sucks!) to be able to pay for the rents/expenses to "survive". It's a mess. Most companies are bound with 6-12 months rents and if you don't get cash in to the company you will have to shut down pretty much right away (the rent is going to follow you even if the company goes bankrup. This is what hurts most right now and people get unemployed (fired = social security). But yeah, the salary support package is called "korttidspermittering" here (translated in English it's temporary layoff with emphasis on temporary). People get to keep their jobs (for now) and get a pay check (for now). Most people here still work though, from home and from the office (it's up to the employer - it just can't be gatherings of 500 people and obviously there needs to be job to do to make it go round). I work from home 3 of 5 days per week. Works fine but it's already fucked up my back and neck, but I'm not complaining. I doubt this support package will be the case in 6 months though. The government is taking a huge risk with these loans, but I'm happy they're doing something than nothing. They could as well let everything fall because it's going to last a while and even with the support I'm positive many companies will have to die... |
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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 18:52:33 GMT
Our prime minister told us that food banks need help because more people are in need right now, specially kids. Mostly because parents "lost" their jobs or are waiting for a unemployment pay. So he asked people who are unemployed to be volunteers to pack food or serve soups 🤔. Did we create the problem? They closed stores and schools to favorise social distancing... They're opening the schools here again it seems. At least the last year of high school. I haven't read upon why but I think it's cause of the "national tests" (tests all last year pupils do at the same time in the whole country and they have to pass to pass high school - it's always been done at the school, in class). Not sure if that's the reason but I think it could be so that they can pass and not have to wait a whole year again. They say they will open up everything that is essential to our society and that is not a threat to high risk people (they are super pro here that these people need to take more responsibility themselves too, and that the society can't be on pause fully + they don't give a fuck). Our prime minister pretty much called them out in the speech to the nation lol. I donno what to think about anything anymore tbh. I understand the risks, I understand the choices made, I understand how they resonate, I agree on some parts, my gut says something, but it's pretty obvious that no one knows what the right thing to do is, because if we knew we'd all be doing it lol. However I'm upset people are criticizing other countries - some countries can't even be comparable to one another. But I respect the "ban" to travel though. |
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Post by Dani on Mar 26, 2020 19:00:35 GMT
Our prime minister told us that food banks need help because more people are in need right now, specially kids. Mostly because parents "lost" their jobs or are waiting for a unemployment pay. So he asked people who are unemployed to be volunteers to pack food or serve soups 🤔. Did we create the problem? They closed stores and schools to favorise social distancing... I don't get either the hype and lockdowns now. Compare it to the swine flue that killed if I remember right a half million people, which were mostly not elderly and we didn't do shit. |
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