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Post by grenno on Jan 27, 2019 21:55:59 GMT
I know from back then when PETA unleashed her on some sheep farmers in New Zealand or Australia and afterwards when those farmers presented her with actual facts and it was clear that PETA didn't do their research correctly, she came out and publicly apologized to the farmers for attacking them, and said something along the lines of: You can't trust anyone, you should do your own research before acting, I learned my lesson. I liked that. Not sure why she forgot that quality about herself in this case. I get that people can get hella annoying on the internet. But trolls feed off of replies and mentions and that kind of stuff. It resembles a shout-out for them. Best is to ignore those trolls, flag the ones that are hateful and report the ones that have threats to federel agencies, and try to have a normal discussion with the rest. She herself said that we forgot how to converse, how to fight properly, how to have a talk, a discussion with each other. And that seems to be sad but true. Not sure she forgot anything really. Media twisted the story and she posted that part on her feed. The words media used to tell this story remain on the video, which according to everyone is fake news. Pink means, that it doesnāt change anything and that these kids need to be taught respect and how to behave anyway. I donāt think she has her opinion to apologize for. Maybe in this case, for indirectly supporting āfake newsā sharing that video. But her opinion remains the same, as it seems. Well, if the kid was a dick then she's absolutely right  so, if the full video makes him a saint (which I highly doubt) then maybe an apology would be good. BUT it seems that there are much more people to be pissed off at, including that student, in the entirety of this video. So, yeah. I meant that if it was something without research that if looked into more carefully, like with the farmers, she would have come out and apologized or whatever. Like she said in her statement. You're only strong if you can admit that you're wrong when you're wrong. Keeps you from being annoying af In this case, however, she'd have to include the full video and also tell how disgusted she is at the Israeli group being homophobes and racists and whatnot lol so, is that what people want that commented? Just being angry at more people than just the student? lol |
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Post by Dani on Jan 27, 2019 22:10:06 GMT
Not sure she forgot anything really. Media twisted the story and she posted that part on her feed. The words media used to tell this story remain on the video, which according to everyone is fake news. Pink means, that it doesnāt change anything and that these kids need to be taught respect and how to behave anyway. I donāt think she has her opinion to apologize for. Maybe in this case, for indirectly supporting āfake newsā sharing that video. But her opinion remains the same, as it seems. Well, if the kid was a dick then she's absolutely right so, if the full video makes him a saint (which I highly doubt) then maybe an apology would be good. BUT it seems that there are much more people to be pissed off at, including that student, in the entirety of this video. So, yeah. I meant that if it was something without research that if looked into more carefully, like with the farmers, she would have come out and apologized or whatever. Like she said in her statement. You're only strong if you can admit that you're wrong when you're wrong. Keeps you from being annoying af In this case, however, she'd have to include the full video and also tell how disgusted she is at the Israeli group being homophobes and racists and whatnot lol so, is that what people want that commented? Just being angry at more people than just the student? lol Well. People are saying there were two groups āfightingā, the Israeli one and this Christian one with kids wearing the make America great again hats. This man comes in between and beats a drum, and this teenager stands there looking in to his face. Media meant the kids surrounded him and not the other way around. So media did make it seem different, probably to create a discussion. Or division. This is where people who have seen the full video get annoyed with eachother. One side thinks the boy should just back off and move because respect for elderly people, the other mean that heās standing up for himself against the other group and that this man, Nathan, walked up to his face and should maybe not be in the way. Media also made it seem like Nathan was a Vietnam vet, which he wasnāt, even if he still served the country. Apparently this Nathan has been in similar situations before, and I read somewhere heās lying and a bit trouble. However this Christian kid is getting death threats because of this, and this is another reason people disagree with Pinkās video she shared. Maybe we should just watch the full video tomorrow and get back on here  |
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Post by alrightsir on Jan 28, 2019 16:19:19 GMT
I wish she would use this anger as inspiration and write some honest badass songs š
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Post by Dani on Jan 28, 2019 19:22:30 GMT
I saw the video.
In fact I saw more than one.
It doesn't matter what I think about this.
But I could tell if someone's interested.
I'm happy shit didn't escalate and I'm happy no one got hurt physically.
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Post by Dani on Jan 28, 2019 21:34:07 GMT
Jeff asked me to write my thoughts so here they are. Iād say Iām a nice, fair, honest and always seeing all sides of a situation-type of person. This may say more about me than about any of them, but judge me all you want. Iām not that familiar with this particular event they were at, or any of the history there is between these American peopleās and what not. So my thoughts about this situation are based on the behaviours of these people that I see all as equals. Every kid I saw in this video need to learn respect, peace and love. You can see it in their faces that they lack all of it. Theyāre triggering each other to no good. And wearing them hats without even knowing what the fuck they are doing, because their parents put them on their heads. And them cruel words from the Israels. Just sad. They all could need a spank or two (no I donāt encourage violence). Nathan had nothing to do in that group of people. Itās not his job to get in between to āease upā a situation. Thatās what police does after they judge the situation as threatening. Fine if it was an on-going physical fight and someone got hurt and Nathan rushed in between to pull people away from each other. But that wasnāt the case. Nathan should have respected the situation, too. Judging by Nathanās history with similar thing happening before, and then being on the news using his skin color, race, what not making him seem like the victim, I would think he saw this as another opportunity. Sadly it creates more hate and division, than anything else. I thought it was weird that he said these kids shouted something about building a wall. No one said it in any of the videos I saw. How would he even hear that with the drum beating that loud? Also the Vietnam vet thing had nothing to do with anything even if it later turned out that he wasnāt even one. Itās not like the kids could read it on his forehead that he was one, or even read his mind to know what he was thinking and wanting when he was standing, saying nothing. Pulling the Vietnam vet card was obviously to spice up the story even more for reactions, whoever added that to the news. So I donāt agree using that to talk about disrespectful behaviours, whether he was serving the country or not. Nathan also had tears in his eyes in the short interview after the event, almost crying. Watching the full video of the event, he didnāt seem to suffer that much. Or even care about easing up the situation at all, or to making his way up the stairs. He literally just stood there. Iād too wondered what he wanted or where was going if I was in that crowd of kids. Also, he could have walked around the teenager if he wanted to āget up on the stairsā. There was plenty of room around the annoying and stubborn little brat. Nathan however didnāt want to walk anywhere, because he wanted the kid to be in his face. Also, whatās with the camera team Nathan had with him? To me his actions definitely seem to have had a hidden agenda. The short clip (the cut version), originally came from a twitter account that has been listed on a site where you can pay/buy a tweet to get stuff out to a gazillion people. And, if Iām not wrong, it did seem like the person who filmed this particular little close-up clip, was one of the people that walked in there with Nathan. So yah, thereās definitely major fucking problems in America, and itās good they are being addressed and discussed. But this might not be the correct way to get out a message, in my opinion. Feel free to comment, disagree or question me. Iām fine with changing my mind about the situation. Since, obviously you canāt trust anything these days anyway. Also, if you feel upset reading this, you have a problem. Peace and love  |
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Post by Pinkgurl on Jan 28, 2019 22:11:12 GMT
From my understanding it was a school trip. My question is where are the teachers and parents if it wasn't a school trip why were there so many kids at one spot. I think we need to hold the school, teachers and parents responsible for this situation. That's just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 16:33:34 GMT
yeah, I unfollowed her on insta. Just too immature at times. And she has apologized before, wool anyone. And yeah, Carey is annoying so I u followed him a while back. They act like kids with the parent police shit.
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Post by Pinkgurl on Jan 29, 2019 19:50:52 GMT
yeah, I unfollowed her on insta. Just too immature at times. And she has apologized before, wool anyone. And yeah, Carey is annoying so I u followed him a while back. They act like kids with the parent police shit. What would you do if you were in her shoes? How would you respond the same or do something different. Unless you're in theirs shoes don't judge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 20:21:56 GMT
yeah, I unfollowed her on insta. Just too immature at times. And she has apologized before, wool anyone. And yeah, Carey is annoying so I u followed him a while back. They act like kids with the parent police shit. What would you do if you were in her shoes? How would you respond the same or do something different. Unless you're in theirs shoes don't judge. Since you asked.... I believe good comes with bad...dark comes with light...you canāt expect to have complete supporters on your page, thatās just ignorant or naive. Also, Iāve read some peopleās comments before and they were genuinely looking out for their kids, but they ALWAYS get in a huff about it and claim parent police. These are 40 year olds that get in huffs and put it on display like a child. P!nk says freedom of speech,but that same thing she preaches she doesnāt ahear to. Thatās all. I see so many celeb or people in power have nasty things said about them, and they take it in stride. If you give it power, itās going to ruin your life. Just accept that thereās always going to dark amongst the light, and live your best life. Yes, itās great she wants to take on haters, but you can do it in a better way. Itās all about perspective. Glass is half full. The time and energy it took to post that, she could have done a slew of other wonderful things. And she has said this stuff a number of times, somehow expecting it to change. Itās never going to. |
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Post by Dani on Jan 29, 2019 21:49:43 GMT
Itās not about judging. I donāt know about you, but I will always love Pink no matter what. But it doesnāt have to mean that I will always agree with her, or her behavior. Iām sure she would feel the same with me if she knew me.
I remember on old PP, I had so many what Iād call trolls. They were mean to me every day. And they found new things to be mean about constantly. I remember thinking, well I could be mean too to someone I didnāt know, but Iām not. Iām a nice person. And I felt kinda sorry for these people. They enjoyed moking me, and when I realized I felt more sorry for them than anything, I was even more motivated to do whatever the fuck they told me not to do. Or how to be.
I can imagine that Pink can handle people mocking. Like, they are everywhere. But I think sheās expecting respect and acceptance, and I donāt think sheās wrong to do that. Because letās be honest, itās the least we can ask from people. Iām sure she knows that sheās amaizng, and none of these mean peoples opinions matter to her, I think she just gets frustrated they are so mean. I am, even if I donāt show it the way she does.
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Post by heehawes on Jan 29, 2019 22:51:28 GMT
Itās not about judging. I donāt know about you, but I will always love Pink no matter what. But it doesnāt have to mean that I will always agree with her, or her behavior. Iām sure she would feel the same with me if she knew me. I remember on old PP, I had so many what Iād call trolls. They were mean to me every day. And they found new things to be mean about constantly. I remember thinking, well I could be mean too to someone I didnāt know, but Iām not. Iām a nice person. And I felt kinda sorry for these people. They enjoyed moking me, and when I realized I felt more sorry for them than anything, I was even more motivated to do whatever the fuck they told me not to do. Or how to be. I can imagine that Pink can handle people mocking. Like, they are everywhere. But I think sheās expecting respect and acceptance, and I donāt think sheās wrong to do that. Because letās be honest, itās the least we can ask from people. Iām sure she knows that sheās amaizng, and none of these mean peoples opinions matter to her, I think she just gets frustrated they are so mean. I am, even if I donāt show it the way she does. I like that last paragraph a lot.... Like, she knows shes amazing and she is totally capable of dealing w/ it. but it angers you to see it happen other places. or maybe anger isnt the right word - ummm, its frustrating to see the world like that. So maybe shes not just speaking up for herself but trying to send a message to just rude people in general. and yah. its sad that some peoples who existance is trying to bring others down. Its just miserable people. And they hope to make other people feel like crap just because they do - or they want to create an illusion to themselves that that are better than the world - that rules dont apply to them, that common curtesy isnt important. |
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Post by heehawes on Jan 29, 2019 22:52:50 GMT
From my understanding it was a school trip. My question is where are the teachers and parents if it wasn't a school trip why were there so many kids at one spot. I think we need to hold the school, teachers and parents responsible for this situation. That's just my opinion. I saw one of Careys replies asking the same thing. I mean... a lot of it doesnt make sense. I'm just curious what each of these groups set out to accomplish. |
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Post by Pinkgurl on Jan 29, 2019 22:58:53 GMT
I googled it and it was some kind of march that they attended but still I think the teachers should of been close by so the problem wouldn't have happened then it wouldn't have happened.
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Post by heehawes on Jan 29, 2019 23:15:16 GMT
Jeff asked me to write my thoughts so here they are. Iād say Iām a nice, fair, honest and always seeing all sides of a situation-type of person. This may say more about me than about any of them, but judge me all you want. Iām not that familiar with this particular event they were at, or any of the history there is between these American peopleās and what not. So my thoughts about this situation are based on the behaviours of these people that I see all as equals. Every kid I saw in this video need to learn respect, peace and love. You can see it in their faces that they lack all of it. Theyāre triggering each other to no good. And wearing them hats without even knowing what the fuck they are doing, because their parents put them on their heads. And them cruel words from the Israels. Just sad. They all could need a spank or two (no I donāt encourage violence). Nathan had nothing to do in that group of people. Itās not his job to get in between to āease upā a situation. Thatās what police does after they judge the situation as threatening. Fine if it was an on-going physical fight and someone got hurt and Nathan rushed in between to pull people away from each other. But that wasnāt the case. Nathan should have respected the situation, too. Judging by Nathanās history with similar thing happening before, and then being on the news using his skin color, race, what not making him seem like the victim, I would think he saw this as another opportunity. Sadly it creates more hate and division, than anything else. I thought it was weird that he said these kids shouted something about building a wall. No one said it in any of the videos I saw. How would he even hear that with the drum beating that loud? Also the Vietnam vet thing had nothing to do with anything even if it later turned out that he wasnāt even one. Itās not like the kids could read it on his forehead that he was one, or even read his mind to know what he was thinking and wanting when he was standing, saying nothing. Pulling the Vietnam vet card was obviously to spice up the story even more for reactions, whoever added that to the news. So I donāt agree using that to talk about disrespectful behaviours, whether he was serving the country or not. Nathan also had tears in his eyes in the short interview after the event, almost crying. Watching the full video of the event, he didnāt seem to suffer that much. Or even care about easing up the situation at all, or to making his way up the stairs. He literally just stood there. Iād too wondered what he wanted or where was going if I was in that crowd of kids. Also, he could have walked around the teenager if he wanted to āget up on the stairsā. There was plenty of room around the annoying and stubborn little brat. Nathan however didnāt want to walk anywhere, because he wanted the kid to be in his face. Also, whatās with the camera team Nathan had with him? To me his actions definitely seem to have had a hidden agenda. The short clip (the cut version), originally came from a twitter account that has been listed on a site where you can pay/buy a tweet to get stuff out to a gazillion people. And, if Iām not wrong, it did seem like the person who filmed this particular little close-up clip, was one of the people that walked in there with Nathan. So yah, thereās definitely major fucking problems in America, and itās good they are being addressed and discussed. But this might not be the correct way to get out a message, in my opinion. Feel free to comment, disagree or question me. Iām fine with changing my mind about the situation. Since, obviously you canāt trust anything these days anyway. Also, if you feel upset reading this, you have a problem. Peace and love I meant to respond to this yesterday, but the. got busy running around. Now I'm tired and thought I was gonna sleep but the dang construction sounds are keeping me up. š« I still haven't seen the full version of this. And I still kind if think its not entirely necessary to see the whole thing - (I say that but I do plan on watching it just to make sure) what you say about the kids is correct, about the hats and the fact that they are following somebodies lead - most likely their parents. Its sad to me to think that situations the could promote growth can also do the exact opposite and reinforce negative opinions. These kids now, being the center of a major discussion have a great opportunity to dissect this all to try and view this from all angles (just like you said you like to so). I'm sure they have their version of events, I head a little bit of an interview with the one boy, I don't know his name, and he was just kind of making excuses. Excuses serve nobody any good. We don't need to excuse bad behavior. And from what all the discussion here has been showing me is that nobody was 100% right. An aspect that never crossed my mind was what you said about Nathan (I didn't realize that that was his name), was possibly trying to create the image that this this or this was happening, that he was trying to provoke an incident and that maybe this video could be filmed by his people to try and promote a certain story, or to paint a certain picture. as important as it is to look at the whole picture, its also important to look at each of the individual pieces - on their own. No matter what happened prior, you can always be respectful - you can respectfully disagree, you can respectfully listen, you can respectfully share ideas and thoughts and you can also always respectfully leave. No matter the prior happenings - theres no need to mock or be rude or cruel or hateful. as far as the stare down, there were too people in that. I kind of jumped the gun being upset with the kid. He just had this rude smug look on his face - and for some reason I judged his action in that a little harder. I'm sure the hat had a lot to do with it. on the plus side, no violence came from the kids. the kid looked him in the eyes and didn't move. Nathan kept doing his thing with the drum and singing. Honestly I dont think Nathan was really trying to get by - he wanted some sort of occurrence to happen - as Dani said, he easily could have got around another way. But the boys stare down didn't seem to be one of a "hey I'm standing my ground as an act of protest" - it truly did just seem that of an act of disrespect. neither side was working to try and change opinions - they were being combative as far as being a Vet or not. Lying etc etc etc. Honestly, what difference does that make? I mean people are getting real caught up on that. of course, shame on him for lying about it. and of course respect goes out to real veterans. BUT Does one deserve respect because of veteran status? I think ALL people deserve respect no matter what angle they came from. Being disrespectful to a veteran is bad, yes, but I also think being disrespectful to a homeless man is bad. We ALL deserve respect. Everybody should act in kindness. Creating lies about "build a wall chant" is horrible. Its like trying to create extra hate on these kids. I mean, if its a lie. I dunno. I wasn't there. There certainly doesn't seem to be any proof that they were doing that. I don't think these kids deserve hate or threats thrown their way. Especially due to made up stories. I just want them to learn from their behavior. I want all parties to learn from it. and to grow. I really do hate those dumb red hats though.  |
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Post by Dani on Jan 30, 2019 5:42:59 GMT
Itās not about judging. I donāt know about you, but I will always love Pink no matter what. But it doesnāt have to mean that I will always agree with her, or her behavior. Iām sure she would feel the same with me if she knew me. I remember on old PP, I had so many what Iād call trolls. They were mean to me every day. And they found new things to be mean about constantly. I remember thinking, well I could be mean too to someone I didnāt know, but Iām not. Iām a nice person. And I felt kinda sorry for these people. They enjoyed moking me, and when I realized I felt more sorry for them than anything, I was even more motivated to do whatever the fuck they told me not to do. Or how to be. I can imagine that Pink can handle people mocking. Like, they are everywhere. But I think sheās expecting respect and acceptance, and I donāt think sheās wrong to do that. Because letās be honest, itās the least we can ask from people. Iām sure she knows that sheās amaizng, and none of these mean peoples opinions matter to her, I think she just gets frustrated they are so mean. I am, even if I donāt show it the way she does. I like that last paragraph a lot.... Like, she knows shes amazing and she is totally capable of dealing w/ it. but it angers you to see it happen other places. or maybe anger isnt the right word - ummm, its frustrating to see the world like that. So maybe shes not just speaking up for herself but trying to send a message to just rude people in general. and yah. its sad that some peoples who existance is trying to bring others down. Its just miserable people. And they hope to make other people feel like crap just because they do - or they want to create an illusion to themselves that that are better than the world - that rules dont apply to them, that common curtesy isnt important. Sadly I donāt think the right way to handle it is to put energy in them. I think we need to lift happy and positive people and events more rather than showing that we are upset and giving the haters attention   |
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so, if the full video makes him a saint (which I highly doubt) then maybe an apology would be good. BUT it seems that there are much more people to be pissed off at, including that student, in the entirety of this video. So, yeah. I meant that if it was something without research that if looked into more carefully, like with the farmers, she would have come out and apologized or whatever. Like she said in her statement. You're only strong if you can admit that you're wrong when you're wrong. Keeps you from being annoying af
